Interview with Professor Egbert (Bert) Bakker conducted by Ms Emma M. Jones, for the History of Modern Biomedicine Research Group, 27 October 2015, in the Wellcome Trust, London. Transcribed by Mrs Debra Gee, and edited by Professor Tilli Tansey and Ms Emma M. Jones. The project management of Mr Adam Wilkinson and the technical support (filming and production) of Mr Alan Yabsley are gratefully acknowledged.